We need to teach more about slavery period. It was a part of history and yet I’m still learning about what every straight white male over 25 did with his money grubbing hands instead of something OTHER than industry after industry
It gets old, you can teach whatever the hell you want but I think EVERYONE gets the idea. The Industrial age existed, can we move on? US history isn’t just white men
Last time I asked Americans, slavery was kind of a big deal in their history curriculums and society, so you’re either a terrible student, or you go to a terrible school.
People who say this probably also think that white people sailed to Africa to abduct black people with nets instead of, you know, trading guns for pre-enslaved populaces.
What’s with regressives and thinking they were the first people in the history of ever to stop and go “wait a minute, racism is actually bad”?
Well, they tend to be historically illiterate.
A rare few might rise to the level of historically dyslexic, like medieval POC.
>People who say this probably also think that white people sailed to Africa to abduct black people with nets instead of, you know, trading guns for pre-enslaved populaces.
I learned that in my 20s. From a Carl Hiassen novel. Keep in mind, I’m from a black majority country.
Also who the fuck is saying it wasn’t a choice to own slaves?? Like for real, I have never once heard someone trying to excuse owning slaves
It wasn’t even that common. I think the estimates are somewhere south of 2% of white people.
I think they mistake people pointing out, “Southern States produced damn near 75% of the world’s cotton at the time, which was produced by slaves, and economically it was a big thing for them,” with, “It was just their way of life, no harm really done!”
When those obviously aren’t the same things. Historical looks at slavery in America both highlight its atrocities and take an in depth look into how it came about, why it stayed in place as a system for so long, and what affects it had.
There’s literally nothing wrong with looking at slavery’s impact on everything, not just the slaves.
One key difference is that there are humans alive who have actual memories of 9/11.
And the youngest of those actual humans would be just entering the workforce.
There’s also a big difference between “get over slavery” and “you are exaggerating the influence slavery has on your life in order to get Victim Points™”.
Many anti-SJWs also say slavery was never limited to black people, the Atlantic slaves were bought secondhand from black people, how the Barbary pirates directly captured and kidnapped white slaves, and how slavery is still ongoing today but SJWs ignore it.
I recently got blocked because someone said America should tear down all statues of slave owners and I said “like Ceasar?”
And that person claimed to be a “responsible historian”.
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Indentured servitude is opresssion.
Indentured servitude is not chattel slavery.
The Irish were oppressed and have a history of indentured servitude.
The Irish were not bought and sold or held as property generation to generation.
Please stop confusing the two. Thanks.
If you can be ‘silenced’ by pointing out facts which contradict your narrative, you weren’t saying anything of worth anyway.
Also, y’all only care about these kind of nuances when it’s deflecting time, and these rebuttals aren’t directed at black people, but anyone who makes certain arguments. Stop trying to hide behind people like me.
Odd how posts like OP never pretend to address the Barbary Pirates, who straight up raided Europe for slaves.
He’s got a point with grilled cheese, tbh. I don’t know why everyone else likes it.
First rice, now grilled cheese? What have you got against bread and cheese?
Nothing wrong with bread. Its the cheese that ruins it. It tastes utterly putrid.
Maybe you’re using the wrong cheese
No such thing.
I think there are some cheeses that just aren’t suited to certain jobs. I wouldn’t want a blue cheese grilled cheese, for example.
Not really a ‘soft’ cheese kind of food, get some extra sharp cheddar, some gouda, and grate in some parmesan between the two so they melt together around the harder parmesan.
But for real though, mint and chocolate together, in any way, is of the devil.
i know this is a shitpost but the pyramids were built by corvée labor, not slaves
in ancient egypt it was common for farmers to be conscripted for public works projects during the time of year when the nile flooded and they could not work their land – this practice was widespread throughout the ancient near-east and the egyptians considered it a form of taxation
Do you… know what conscripting someone means? It means taking them from their home and forcing them to do labor. If only we had a word for people this happened to
it’s unfree labor, but it isn’t slavery any more than taxation is robbery
Bruh “unfree labor” is literally the definition of slavery
slavery is a type of unfree labor. other types include military conscription, penal labor, and corvée labor.
All of the labor you stated is still exploiting people and is just as bad as American slavery lmao. Dude just did a 360. You said it wasn’t slavery then said slavery is a type of unfree labor… which would still make it.. slavery. Any labor that forces and exploits people into work and doesn’t grant fair rights along with a payment, is slavery.
not sure how to explain to someone that buying and selling human beings as property is different from conscripting farmers for a few weeks out of the year when they’re unable to work their farms anyway…
But that is not what the Egyptians did. Conscripting is defined as compulsory, compulsory means you are being forced or doing so against your own will. Slavery is when you are owned as property or also defined as someone being exploited and are forced against your will to do a certain task. The new modern idea that Egyptians didn’t have slavery is bullshit and is a way to try and rewrite history to fit a new narrative. Egyptians owned and used slaves to build their empire and pyramids. “Asian slaves, whether merchandise or prisoners of war, became plentiful in wealthy Egyptian households [prior to the New Kingdom]”, we read in the Encyclopaedia Britannica. It’s estimated that Pharaohs’ pyramids arose between 2670 BC and 664 BC..and the language used by the Egyptians is complicated and can be altered to fit a specific narrative. However, Egyptians had chattel slavery, bonded labor and forced labor. Slaves were vital for the Egyptian workforce and were used in every day life. And with our modern language many historians try to frame slavery as we know it today but what we know about Egypt is that slavery was very prominent and the whole narrative shift has been due to archeologists finding tombs which they ASSUMED were filled with “laborers”. Historians may not call these people slaves due to our modern day defintion but these people weren’t doing labor at free will BUT not all were seen as property-modern scape goat to not call it slavery. Archeologists say it was workers who were loyal to the Pharaoh that built the pyramids but looking at the history of ancient Egypt it’s easy to conclude NOT all workers were loyal and most were forced to do the work in fear of disobedience.
i know this is a shitpost but the pyramids were built by corvée labor, not slaves
in ancient egypt it was common for farmers to be conscripted for public works projects during the time of year when the nile flooded and they could not work their land – this practice was widespread throughout the ancient near-east and the egyptians considered it a form of taxation
Do you… know what conscripting someone means? It means taking them from their home and forcing them to do labor. If only we had a word for people this happened to
it’s unfree labor, but it isn’t slavery any more than taxation is robbery
Bruh “unfree labor” is literally the definition of slavery
slavery is a type of unfree labor. other types include military conscription, penal labor, and corvée labor.
All of the labor you stated is still exploiting people and is just as bad as American slavery lmao. Dude just did a 360. You said it wasn’t slavery then said slavery is a type of unfree labor… which would still make it.. slavery. Any labor that forces and exploits people into work and doesn’t grant fair rights along with a payment, is slavery.
not sure how to explain to someone that buying and selling human beings as property is different from conscripting farmers for a few weeks out of the year when they’re unable to work their farms anyway…
But that is not what the Egyptians did. Conscripting is defined as compulsory, compulsory means you are being forced or doing so against your own will. Slavery is when you are owned as property or also defined as someone being exploited and are forced against your will to do a certain task. The new modern idea that Egyptians didn’t have slavery is bullshit and is a way to try and rewrite history to fit a new narrative. Egyptians owned and used slaves to build their empire and pyramids. “Asian slaves, whether merchandise or prisoners of war, became plentiful in wealthy Egyptian households [prior to the New Kingdom]”, we read in the Encyclopaedia Britannica. It’s estimated that Pharaohs’ pyramids arose between 2670 BC and 664 BC..and the language used by the Egyptians is complicated and can be altered to fit a specific narrative. However, Egyptians had chattel slavery, bonded labor and forced labor. Slaves were vital for the Egyptian workforce and were used in every day life. And with our modern language many historians try to frame slavery as we know it today but what we know about Egypt is that slavery was very prominent and the whole narrative shift has been due to archeologists finding tombs which they ASSUMED were filled with “laborers”. Historians may not call these people slaves due to our modern day defintion but these people weren’t doing labor at free will BUT not all were seen as property-modern scape goat to not call it slavery. Archeologists say it was workers who were loyal to the Pharaoh that built the pyramids but looking at the history of ancient Egypt it’s easy to conclude NOT all workers were loyal and most were forced to do the work in fear of disobedience.
I’m just putting this here so i can laugh at it.
They were actually paid and this has been proven please read another book besides the Bible
Ok but that kinda stopped being the point when they said that “unfree labor” wasn’t slave labor. Like, semantics don’t change the reality behind work you’re made to do under duress.
There are so many bad ass Africans throughout history, as noted in the tweets. What I wouldn’t give to see a historical drama about Mansa Musa, shit would be dope AF
It’s rather ironic that she wants society to focus more on actual stories about or inspired by actual black people while she keeps blaming white people for Atlantic slavery. Even though it was already going on in Africa when Europeans came along, they just exploited it.
I wonder what she would say if someone asked her about Barbary Slavers, who captured white people straight from the tap, so to speak.
And…is that an example from Hamilton? A play created by a Hispanic man? One of the Wokest men on Broadway?
I guess he’s technically white, but it seems to me she’s ignoring how minorities also racebend, and how people often claim racebending is necessary in the name of diversity and representation, not just shallow aesthetics. I, of course, disagree.
People like this have really been brainwashed into thinking that Whites were never enslaved lol.
Hey Alexa, how many Europeans were enslaved during the Barbary Slave Trade?
How many Slavs were captured along the Volga and sold in Arab countries?
How many Germans were made slaves by the Romans?
How many Greeks were made slaves by the Turks?
Practically every culture has been enslaved and practiced slavery
Where does the word slave come from? Hmmm….
This is such a disgusting mindset to have.
Some people are so America-centric they think the NAST (and only the part happening in North America) was the only kind of slavery that ever existed.
On that note, the Irish were never victims of chattel slavery, and that may be what most people mean when they say “The Irish were never slaves,” but equating one specific kind of slavery with slavery in the general sense is pretty short-sighted on its own.
>Some people are so America-centric they think the NAST (and only the part happening in North America) was the only kind of slavery that ever existed.
Even in that type of slavery, most of them were secondhand from other black people.
So Wokesters go “oh, no, African slavery was a different, more respectful type of slavery.”
And if you consider forced labor camps to be slavery you can add a bunch more to that list