Not only is this a brilliant takedown of the religious freedom bills, this is brilliant satire of the whole Evangelical Christian movie industry.
WHY WOULD YOU PURPOSELY GO TO A CHRISTIAN BAKERY IF YOU ARE GAY I am bisexual and if I married a woman I would go to a normal bakery, instead of taking time out of my life to find a christian one just to make them uncomfortable. I swear this shit about cakes is solely about pissing off christians and not about equality at all. You know damn well gays wouldn’t pull this shit at a Muslim bakery, and that Muslims wouldn’t get called homophobic when they say no. Use the same standards on Christians.
…because a lot of people don’t openly advertise their religion and any given business could have Christian owners?
I guess the right to refuse service, you know the signs like this:
Mean jack for dick anymore.
How about forcing a muslim baker to do the same thing. I often wondered how that particular snowflake battle would end up.
They never did,.
It’s been unheld that you have to have a valid reason to turn someone away, which usually means they’re causing a disturbance or you have reasonable suspicion that they might.
Hey, uphold them to the same standards you would anyone else.
That’s what I’m trying to do by establishing a pattern.
If the muslim can deny the same service for religious reasons, then why cant the christian?
If the muslim cannot deny the same service for religious reasons, then its all same same.
The point if bringing the muslims into this is two perceived “protected classes” against each other. Get what I mean?
Neither group should be able to refuse service based on religious reasons.
Wow. People should NOT be forced to do anything. What is wrong with you? A private business can make its own decisions. They didn’t even deny service to the gay couple, they refused to make them a custom cake. Got a problem with it? Go somewhere else. By your logic, a lesbian prostitute should not be allowed to deny business to a man. By your logic, a gay baker should have to write “fags go to hell” on a cake for someone.
`Nice false equivalency.
>extremely accurate equivalency actually >you have no actual argument, you just hate liberty
You just compared hate speech and forcing someone into sex (ie: rape) to wedding cake.
Also, I cannot believe you just used “I hate freedom” unironically.
Ok, how about this. The Westboro Baptist Church asks you for a donation. You refuse and the government fines you $100,000 because of it. Is this ok with you? Yea or Nay? No deflections, no bullshit. Just answer a question honestly.
Uh, No?
Because your donation isn’t an explicitly advertised and promised service?
Jesus Christ. I’m sorry, but if I was running a jewelry store and a Westboro baptist wanted to buy something, I would still sell even if they disgust me so
I’ve always been torn on this issue. On the one hand, I detest the idea of legalizing any sort of discrimination. But on the other I know that if I was in that situation there are a few things that I might struggle to do, if I could do it at all. For example, If someone like Westboro Baptist came into my hypothetical bakery and asked me to make a cake that said “God hates Fags” or if a Neo-Nazi asked me to make a cake for one of their get togethers, I would struggle with that. Now I wouldn’t refuse them service just because they are a part of those groups, but if I was asked to actively make something that would be supporting/helping their organizations? That would be a struggle. Now, those cakes are extreme examples but those are things I would want the right to refuse to do. For some Christians (and Jews, and Muslims), Gay Marriage is not much of an easier pill to swallow. So, to some extent I can see both sides. No one should be able to discriminate, but at the same time we all have core morals that we do not wish to violate. And I wish a balance could be some how struck that makes everyone happy but I do not think that will happen any time soon.
I get that, but usually a wedding cake is just a fact cake, gay or otherwise. I feel the examples you said would qualify as hate speech and you could still refuse service for that.
It might qualify as hate speech, it might not, at least in the first instance, but what if the cake was just for a Neo-Nazi rally, if they asked for a swaztika or some or other Nazi symbols? Being a Nazi does not necessarily count as hate speech, nor does a swaztika (for example) necessarily count as hate speech. Even without the direct hate speech, it’s something that would conflict with a lot of peoples morals. My family lost people during the holocaust, I would certainly have issues with that. And a gay wedding cake may be a cake, but it’s still a cake for a gay wedding. And I think it’s important to understand that some peoples morals are as strongly opposed to having any sort of participation in that as other peoples morals are to making a cake for a Neo-Nazi rally. We don’t have to agree with their beliefs but if this situation is ever going to be satisfactorily dealt with, that has to be understood.
Honestly, if it was my job to make cakes and they were paying customers, I’d still do it as long as there was no direct hate speech on it. I’d rant about it online later, but I’d still do it if it was my job and the people ordering it were respectful. I suppose it’s understandable to think differently on that, but my thought is that you can still do your job even if your customers are people you find morally disgusting.
It’s just a fucking cake holy shit. I don’t care if someone walks in and asks for a ‘praise Satan’ cake, if it’s my job to make it then I’ll make it. Of course walking into a religious bakery would be dumb, but these things take place in regular bakeries too.
>your donation isn’t an explicitly advertised and promised service?
Buuut baking a cake is? I’m hypothetically required to bake a cake for anyone who walks in? Or is it just “protected classes”?
Why do you have a hard time comphrending that you
YOU SHOULD NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST PEOPLE, OR DENY THEM A BASIC SERVICE.
Is this not the same as saying that it was okay in the 50′s for white people to deny blacks service because of their race? Because they have a right to serve whoever they want?
>YOU SHOULD NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST PEOPLE,
That’s not true. There are plenty of acceptable reasons to discriminate against a customer. For example, if they’re taking a dump in the tip jar. But a lot of people think “because they’re gay” should not legally be one of them. The question is not about discrimination itself, but discrimination for the “wrong” reasons.
>OR DENY THEM A BASIC SERVICE
Maslow’s Hierarchy is rather vague, but I don’t think wedding cakes are what he had in mind.
>Is this not the same as saying that it was okay in the 50′s for white people to deny blacks service because of their race? Because they have a right to serve whoever they want?
Morally okay? No, not by most modern standards. But that’s a question of who they’re discriminating against, not the fact of discrimination itself.
Not to mention the fact that in a few of these cases, the “customers” had actually recorded their conversations with the bakeries (and other businesses). There is NO reason at all to record a phone call about cake. They were specifically targeted for no reason other than pure spite and hatred.
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